Woo hoo ! I've been waiting for this moment. At long last, Pixar finally terminated their indenture to Disney, according to this slashdot story. Pixar (in case you have been sleeping under a rock and don't know) is the revolutionary CG animation studio that made Toy Story, and the excellent Monsters Inc (my favorite). Pixar movies manage to be whimsical, charming and hillarious without ever stooping to being codescending -- something that Disney could never, ever accomplish -- and they never feature pointless and annoying Disney-esque singing. And of course, their short films are nothing short of pure genius -- I still remember watching Luxo Jr for the first time. That film has literally made me speechless, and that doesn't happen very often. If Pixar could produce all this incredible stuff under the oppressive yoke of the demon-vermin, I cannot even imagine what their liberated power can achieve.
Of course, the situation isn't all roses:
Disney noted in its statement that it owns rights to all the Pixar movies, as well as two more animated features yet to be delivered -- "The Incredibles" due this year and "Cars", expected in 2005.Still, it looks like, at long last, there might be hope on the horizon for American animation.
Wow you said something nice about a Steve Jobs company. That IS pretty amazing.
Posted by: Roger at 2004/01/30 09:58You know, Pixar dealt with the animation, not the actual storylines (at least from my sources). You have to credit Disney, as much as you don't want to, for the actual stories. However, if Pixar does indeed contain creative-minded writers, then I'd be very happy to see what they come up with next.
Posted by: Tony at 2004/01/30 12:35I have no problem with Steve Jobs companies; in fact, let me be the first to say that jellies belong in cinema, not on my desktop. Let's just hope that megalomaniac Steve Jobs doesn't ruin Pixar like he almost ruined Apple.
Regarding the storylines... I have a real hard time believeing that Pixar storylines were written by Disney. I mean, they are actually good. It could be that Disney gave them a design document ("make us a movie about monsters... there should be a cute kid in it"), and they implemented it to the best of their ability (which is very good).
Posted by: Bugmaster at 2004/01/30 14:15Tony is grossly misinformed. Disney did not write the stories. They are merely the distributor.
If you actually watch some of the behind-the-scene DVDs you'll see how John Lasseter and many many others in Emeryville at Pixar actually worked. They write their own stories (Andrew Stanton wrote most of Finding Nemo, for example). They storyboard every key frame. They act out the lines. They revise the story. They draw animation. They sit in dubbing sessions. They do lighting and special effects...etc etc
At many points, they have to go back fix a plot point or dialog if it doesn't work right. That's why a movie like Finding Nemo takes 3 years to make from concept to completion. It's impossible to create their animations if they just worked from a set-in-the-stone masterplan handed off from Disney or anyone else.
If Disney were to have a design document, it would be like:
Make us a movie that makes $$$$.
Oh look. Pixar even created a page about their creative process.
It starts with a PIXAR employee pitching an idea for a movie to OTHER PIXAR employees. (in other words, Disney NOT involved)
I kind of like the singing.
Who doesn't remember classic lines like:
"The seaweed is always greener, in somebody else's lake."
"Look at this stuff, isn't it neat. Wouldn't you think, my collection's complete."
"Street rat, riff raff, I don't, buy that. If only they'd look closer, would they see a poor boy? No siree, they'd find out, there's so much more to me."
"Prince Ali, yes it is he, merely Aladdin. Just a Paun, need I go on, take it from me."
"There are no cats in America, and the streets are full of cheese." (fine, not a disney movie, but still, it's singing)
Of course, this all comes from the person who, as a senior in high school in the late 90's had a tape in his car of the Aladdin soundtrak.
And I wasn't the one who turned out to be gay ... go figure.
I think Owen has illustrated my point very persuasively. While it is true that Disney, like Microsoft, will never die -- let's hear three cheers for Pixar, for eliminating the last reason anyone in their right mind would actually pay to see Disney movies.
Posted by: Bugmaster at 2004/01/31 04:25Ha ha! Go Owen! If you'd like another interesting fact about disney: the songs were just supposed to be a novelty thing for shorts like "Steamboat Willie." But with the advent of Disney's first animated feature, "Snow White," Walt Disney was concerned that people wouldn't sit through a feature-length cartoon because the animation was below par. The "catchy songs" were to draw attention away from the poor animation.
I'll add that Disney was good until Aladdin. After that, it was just bad. Very very bad. Except for Tarzan. They used a lot of innovative stuff in the animation process that really made the movie pop.
End of story: Disney sucks because Michael Eisner is a tool. But every once in a while, they have a gem of their own. It just won't be here for a good while, to be sure.
Posted by: jason at 2004/01/31 08:391. Slight edit. I can't believe I misquoted my favorite animated song of all time. It's "the streets are paved with cheese."
2. Bug, I don't understand your response.
3. Jason, I hope you meant "Disney was good until after Aladdin." It may well be my favorite one. And yes, the animation in Tarzan was pretty good. But "Brother Bear?" Come on, it looked like such crap animation.
Posted by: owen at 2004/01/31 10:38Let me break it down for you, Owen. A major reason for why Disney movies suck is all the cheesy and predictable filler songs, some of which you have mentioned. And now that Pixar is free, there is no longer a reason for me to pay money to Disney, the purveyor of said songs. I can just pay Pixar, instead. Bye bye Eisner.
Posted by: Bugmaster at 2004/01/31 10:45The latest estimate was that 'Jenna Loves Bella' will be released sometime in January, but no one's got it from their distributor yet. Bella is much wilder than Kobe, so it should be a better movie and worth the wait.
Oh wait... Isn't this a forum of 20-something year old men? Why is everyone talking about Disney?
Owen- yes, I mean after Aladdin. Also my personal favorite (being a Robin Williams fan helps).
Bug- you make it sound like filler songs are Eisner's fault. Eisner is a tool all by himself. Besides, crappy filler music or not, it helps to keep the musical genre alive outside of broadway, and I think that's a good thing.
Slater- yes, 20-somethings are talking about Disney. It's not that bad. I think Owen and I just want to stay connected to our past. I don't know.
Posted by: Jason at 2004/02/02 07:36Whoa... looks like Comcast is making a hostile takeover bid to buy Disney. Maybe they'll destroy each other and we'll all breathe easier...
Posted by: Bugmaster at 2004/02/11 06:51Here's a great interview with John Lasseter and Andrew Stanton. They made Finding Nemo.
Real audio link
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